Episode 17: Learning How To Trust Your Intuition, with Bec Cuzzillo
In this latest episode, Ash speaks with spiritual business coach Bec Cuzillo about her mission to empower women to share their magic and build businesses aligned with their true selves. They discuss the importance of intuition in decision-making, how to cultivate trust in one's inner voice, and strategies for overcoming energetic blocks. Bec shares her personal journey into coaching, emphasising the significance of following one's excitement and the lessons learned from intuitive decisions. The conversation highlights the evolving landscape of entrepreneurship for women and the power of community support.
In this conversation, Bec and Ash explore the importance of recognising options when feeling stuck, the power of community and support, and the transformative experiences found in women's circles. They discuss daily practices that can enhance personal growth, the challenges of navigating the competitive online coaching space, and the significance of following one's passions and breadcrumbs to achieve success.
The episode highlights are:
00:00 Introduction to Spiritual Business Coaching
03:00 Bec's Mission and Journey into Coaching
06:05 The Role of Intuition in Decision Making
09:09 Cultivating Intuition and Trust
12:10 Navigating Intuitive Decisions and Lessons Learned
14:46 Overcoming Energetic Blocks and Stagnation
25:34 Exploring Options When Feeling Stuck
27:29 The Power of Community and Support
28:05 The Magic of Women's Circles
32:25 Daily Practices for Transformation
36:52 Navigating Online Coaching and Competition
42:33 Following Your Breadcrumbs to Success
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Transcript
Ash Butterss (00:00.973)
Hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of the Unedited Woman. Today in the studio, I have the beautiful Bec Cazillo. Bec is a spiritual business coach and she is an absolute queen in the online space. So I am so, so excited to dive into this conversation to hear all about Bec's story, her mission and who she's here to serve. So let's dive straight into it. Bec, welcome to the Unedited Woman. How are you?
Bec Cuzzillo (00:31.146)
I'm good, thank you. Thank you so much for having me today. I'm really excited to be here.
Ash Butterss (00:35.606)
Yeah, I can't wait to dive into this conversation. We connected through the world of social media as you do these days. And I just love everything that you're about and the energy that you give out. So I'm really excited to dive into the conversation. The first question I would love to ask you back is, what are you here to do? What is your mission? How do you want to leave this world?
Bec Cuzzillo (00:58.751)
big question.
Ash Butterss (01:00.195)
I don't take it easy on you. So we start with the biggie.
Bec Cuzzillo (01:04.143)
No, let's go straight in. I see my mission at this moment in time anyway to support other women to share their magic and their medicine with the world and do it in a way that really aligns with who they are, what life they want and also the season of life that they're in. So really kind of
supporting them to build a business and live their mission and share their soul work in a way that really works for them and provides them with the opportunity to create the life they really desire.
Ash Butterss (01:41.252)
Mm.
Ash Butterss (01:45.478)
That's such a beautiful mission. It's an amazing world that we're living in now, isn't it? You know, I'm just thinking back to 10 years ago and I feel like having those conversations weren't really available. Whereas I feel like there's been such an explosion in the way that we do life now, the online space. And I think that women have so many more choices now that it's so beautiful to see a lot more women step into entrepreneurship, solopreneurship and start to build.
businesses that are really in alignment with their passion and their purpose, but that also support the life and the role that they choose to play, whether that is to be a mother or whether that is to be a business owner or, you know, some women want to do it all. Some women don't want to do it all. And there's that choice today, which I think is beautiful.
Bec Cuzzillo (02:35.789)
I think there's more evidence out there of people doing things in all sorts of ways, which obviously then opens up almost that permission to do it in your own way.
Ash Butterss (02:46.267)
Yeah, totally. So I'd love to know Beck, what inspired you to step into this line of work? Was there a pivotal moment or something that precipitated this decision for you to step into this space?
Bec Cuzzillo (03:00.431)
That's a great question for me. It was more of an unfolding, I would say. So I was very happy actually in the work that I was doing prior to running a business. So I used to work in the community sector. I was working in the space of youth advocacy. working around supporting young people and advocating on their rights and particularly focused on, you know, really kind of
hard issues looking at homelessness and things like that. I really love that work, but it was tough and I wanted a creative outlet. And so I actually studied interior design. I also started a candle business at that time, started making candles and selling my candles. And it wasn't necessarily with the intention to make it a full time business. But once I had that taste and then for me,
my kind of business journey into coaching and business coaching was that I had these candles. I've always been spiritual. I've always been in the spiritual space. And so my candles were very much in that realm of being healing. And I was already trained as a Reiki healer. And so I then created this line of goddess candles, ran some goddess workshops, had this experience of like holding space for women in that kind of transformational
space of being in circle and then went and that was my moment of like, this work is powerful. And that's when I then explored getting into life coaching, getting into business coaching from there, because I don't know if you've had this experience, but often when women go through that whole transformation of, okay, let's do this inner work. wow. I want to go and train as a healer as well. Or I want to go and train in this modality.
Hey, Bec, you've started a spiritual business and you're running an online business. Can you help me do mine? And so it's all been just following those breadcrumbs and bringing together a whole lot of my experience to get to where I am right now.
Ash Butterss (05:06.44)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (05:12.028)
Yeah, that's exactly right. I feel like my journey has been quite similar. started off actually for me, it all started off with a podcast. And then from the podcast, I had people reaching out saying, can you show me how you transformed your life? I want to transform my life. And even now, more recently, I've had people reaching out saying, I can see you built your business. Can you show me how I can build my own online business? And so
I don't market myself as a business coach. I definitely am more in the transformation space, but it's so cool that I'm able to, you know, and I'm sure the more I stay in this space and the more I grow my business, even more people are going to reach out being like, can you show me how you did this? So it is that real sense of, know, I so believe that once you've experienced something and you've lived it, you're able to teach it when it's embodied. I should caveat with that. And so, yeah, there is that natural progression.
of being able to show people exactly what you did. I'm in recovery as well. And we have a saying there that, you know, stick with the strength. And if you, if you want what someone has do what they do. So again, it's just this, you know, it's not, I don't think that there's actually like a lot of secrecy to the recipe of life. It's just like follow the roadmap, follow the path that someone else has followed that is proven. And you should, if you, if you apply the same level of commitment and process, then it should work out relatively the same.
I don't know, what do you think?
Bec Cuzzillo (06:38.755)
like to think of following the excitement, you know, so where, what feels exciting because if, somebody had come to me and said, you know, can you help me build my business? And I was like, that feels like the worst thing in the world. Then I wouldn't have done it, you know? And for me, it was, it was a bringing together of a whole bunch of things. Cause at the same time, you know, I'd done my interior design, qualification. So I'm a qualified interior designer. And I also at the same time was.
Ash Butterss (06:41.405)
Mmm.
Ash Butterss (06:53.054)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (07:08.557)
running a food and travel blog. And I was also doing a bit of social media management and I was also doing a bit of photography. And so I'd kind of been bringing all of these things together to kind of go, okay, well, actually I do kind of know some stuff that I can share with you that's aside from all of this other stuff that I know. And then of course it's that own experience as well that you can bring to it. So it's like sometimes all of those
puzzle pieces fall together and now that I look back on it, I remember having conversations. So my mum's been a spiritual business owner for a long time now. She's a psychic medium and I remember going to expos with her. Yeah, going to expose with her and I would have people say, know, I bet you're going to be in this space or I predict you'll be in this space at some point. And I was like, no, I'm at uni. I'm doing my own thing. I've got my own trajectory and I would
Ash Butterss (07:48.8)
Wow.
Bec Cuzzillo (08:05.007)
At the time, just be like, absolutely not. Am I ever going to be a spiritual business owner? And here I am, you know, 10 years later, 100%, you know, and you're surrounded by psychics who are saying that to you. And it's like, no, no, I'm doing my own thing. I'm doing my own thing. But here we are.
Ash Butterss (08:11.831)
The universe had other plans, right?
Ash Butterss (08:23.618)
Yeah. So I'd love for you to share a little bit about what you believe to be the channel for intuition. Because, you know, when you spoke about just then like what feels exciting, I think for people who are listening along, some people, you know, and clients that I even work with say, I struggle to tap into my intuition, Ash. Like I don't know.
I hear you talk about intuition, I don't actually really, cause a lot of the time I think it requires a level of trust. But what is your perception around it? How does one cultivate a deep connection to their intuition? And is this something that can be done over time? Is it something that can be nurtured? What ways can you nurture it? I'd love your insights as a spiritual business coach.
Bec Cuzzillo (09:09.335)
I love this question. So I believe everyone is intuitive and we all have that connection in some way. And I also believe that we all have our own intuitive gifts. And so we will lean into different ways of connecting to our intuition. And you can kind of go into the the realm of looking at. so if you look at psychics, for example,
we kind of associate psychics being clairvoyant. So they will see visions, you know, and that's psychic site clairvoyance. There's a whole bunch of other clairs and kind of intuitive gifts that people can have. So some people can be claircognizant, which means that you'll know things. And I don't know if you've ever had this experience, but most people will have had this experience at some point in their life where they'll be like, I knew that was going to happen. I knew it and I ignored it or I knew it and I predicted it.
Ash Butterss (10:03.042)
Yes!
Bec Cuzzillo (10:06.585)
And it doesn't matter what it is, but you know, there'll be those moments of that clear cognizance is what it's called. And then the, there's a couple of different ones, but the other one is then Claire sentience, which is that feeling. And that'll be related to that gut feeling. So, you know, I had this feeling that this was what I needed to do, you know? And if you think about the way that you describe things, it will become pretty clear to you what your
natural intuition is. So if you often talk about feeling things, if you talk often talk about knowing things, then you'll be able to kind of go, okay, this is how it presents for me. And you're right. A big part of that is then trust. So there's this element of building this relationship with your intuition and it takes practice. And there are some things that I can share with you that are very easy to kind of start that journey.
but then it's about trusting it and building that trust muscle.
Ash Butterss (11:04.484)
Yes. Yeah, right. Okay, great. What are some of these things that people could start doing?
Bec Cuzzillo (11:13.081)
So for me, I think one of the easiest things we can do is just in our everyday life, asking ourselves, what do I feel like today? And, you know, it can be down to things like, like what we're eating or what exercise we want to do. You know, so often we make these rules and we put these rules in place and we go, okay, this is what
exercise is for me, you know, I go to the gym or I go for a walk, I go for a run or I do this. And because it's booked in our calendar or because it's just what we've always done, we always do that thing. And we don't necessarily check in with ourselves around that beforehand. Same with food, you know, it's like, I just have this for breakfast every morning or I have this for lunch every day. What if you just allowed yourself to drop in and go, take a moment. What do I really feel like in this moment?
Am I actually hungry? Do I want to move my body? Am I actually hungry or am I thirsty? Like so often we're cut off from our, you know, neck down and we're not connected in with our body. And sometimes it's just about those moments of going, okay, what do I feel like today? And just taking a small decision that could be as simple as rather than having, you know, this particular snack, I'm going to go and have this thing that I really feel like or
Ash Butterss (12:13.06)
Yeah, that's a big one!
Bec Cuzzillo (12:39.907)
I feel like I know I need some water. I'm going to go and actually drink that water or you know, whatever that small thing is, what do you actually feel like? And then acting on it. And so this is a process of first connecting in with the intuition and then acting on it, which is the trust piece. And so that's what we want to build. We want to build that.
trust in ourselves and that practice to go, okay, what is the thing that I'm feeling like or that I know I need right now? And then what is the action that goes with it and actually making that happen?
Ash Butterss (13:16.088)
love that and I feel like it's so relevant to what I've been living the last few days. You know, before we started recording, I sharing with Beck that I've been really sick the last week recovering from food poisoning and I have been so intuitive with every single thing that has been going into my mouth from
water that I'm drinking to, know, am I going to have some bone broth? Maybe I'll just have a little bit of watermelon. Do I actually need to eat right now? And then this morning, I'm starting to feel better now. And this morning I had, I had a choice. I was like, I could go to the gym. haven't been to the gym for a week and I'm paying a membership there. So I should probably go to the gym.
But I felt into it and I knew my body was not ready and I was like, don't push yourself. You're not going to get the benefits of the results anyway. If your body's still recovering. I'm also due for my period in the next couple of days. So there's all of that kind of stuff playing out. And then I thought, okay, well go to yoga because I also pay for a yoga membership and I need to get to at least two classes a week to get value from that. And then I thought you went to yoga yesterday. Do you actually want to go to yoga again? And they answer was no. And so I ended up taking my dog for a walk and I got out onto like
you know, in front of the ocean. And it just was exactly what my body needed. I didn't realize though, at the time you just made such a beautiful point of like, it was the re I'm in that moment. I'm strengthening my inner wisdom and the trust that I have that I can make the right decision in that moment.
Bec Cuzzillo (14:46.637)
Yes, I think it's really about those decisions. That's what intuition is. And so whenever we have those moments of like, I knew that was going to happen. And sometimes that can be really great. And then other times it can be like, I probably should have trusted that in the moment and made a different decision rather than just doing what I've always done. And maybe there would have been a different outcome. It's those moments where it's like the it's just the decision that you need to make really. And
Ash Butterss (15:13.589)
Mm.
Bec Cuzzillo (15:15.567)
trusting that it's such a huge thing, which is why it's easier to start smaller because then you can build that in a way that doesn't really matter. You know, it doesn't really matter whether you have the orange or the banana for a snack, but it's going to maybe change the way that you enjoy that because you've chosen the thing that's actually going to feel the best for you in that moment.
Ash Butterss (15:29.622)
Mmm.
Ash Butterss (15:39.007)
Yeah, I love that. And then it's like, it's, it's the same as in his, a meditation practice, when you do it every single day, small, consistent bites, you start to strengthen that mind muscle. And I feel like making those little decisions intuitively every day strengthens that intuition. So that when you do have a big decision to make, you know, within your business, say, perhaps, or maybe it's to do with your family or something, then you just, you're able to trust that intuition so much more clearly. I love this.
Bec Cuzzillo (16:06.979)
Yes. Yes. Yeah. And you can hear it better or you can feel it better or you can know it better, you know, and it, and you go, that's, that's that thing coming through. That's that, you know, I remember when we bought this house that we're currently living in, we've been here for almost two years now. We walked in and my husband and I were like, this is it, you know, and we hadn't even really seen it yet, but it was the feeling when you walk in the house of like, this is it. And
Ash Butterss (16:08.49)
Yes, so good.
Ash Butterss (16:22.518)
Hmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (16:36.397)
looking around, you know, the way that they had the house set up, needed a lot of work and we still had that feeling. And if you're the thing with intuition is you override it often. So we will override it and talk ourselves out of things because it doesn't necessarily make sense on paper. So that's a really great example. We walked in and you know, the furniture in the space wasn't great. There was a lot of work that needed to be done. It wasn't presented particularly nicely, but
we could see the potential in it. And we also had this feeling and it would have been very easy at that point. It also wasn't a particularly great time for us to buy a house. didn't have everything sorted. You know, there's so many, there's so many reasons that you can like, your rational mind can come in and go, no, no, no, no, no, no, Same in business. You know, it's like, actually that doesn't make sense on paper for you to make that decision right now. But sometimes you just know.
Ash Butterss (17:10.668)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (17:33.014)
And then that's the moment where you need to have that trust muscle built in.
Ash Butterss (17:33.56)
you
Ash Butterss (17:37.504)
Mm, mm.
because I'm just again thinking about what I've been journeying this year. And you know, I made a decision at the start of this year within my business. And it's only been in like the last say month or so that I'm actually looking back thinking that I may have made a mistake or that I may have jumped the gun. And at the time, the decision I made it in what I felt like was quite an intuitive space. had, you know, received some cacao in ceremony, and then I'd done some breath work. And then I was doing journaling.
And that's where this download came in and I made a decision very quickly off the back of that. I didn't sort of stop to let it, I guess like simmer or just be digested. And so I went and made this decision and...
Now it's been about six months and I'm actually regretting it. And I've actually just in the last week made the decision to go back and reverse the decision that I made, which was a whole thing that I had to journey as well. Cause I was like, what are people going to think? They're to think I'm all over the shop. And like, you know, there's all that fear, right? Which is just, that's just part of the human condition. And I know how to work with that and not let it over overwhelm me or override the decision.
But guess the question that I have is like in that moment, it felt like the right intuitive decision, but I can now see in hindsight, it actually wasn't the right decision. Do you think that, I guess I'm not regretting it because I can see the lesson that I've learned in it. And I'm wondering whether that was the universe going like, I need to teach you a lesson here. And so we're gonna journey this, but then you're gonna come full circle and realize that you were actually already on the right path.
Bec Cuzzillo (19:14.851)
Yes, you've nailed it. Basically, I would say there's what's really interesting about intuition, right, is I don't think there's ever necessarily a wrong decision in that way because there's always going to be a lesson. So those mistakes that we make, they lead to the learning and then we end up on the path. And I'm a really big believer that we have to go on the journey in order to get there. And
Ash Butterss (19:18.456)
Hahaha
Ash Butterss (19:41.37)
you
Bec Cuzzillo (19:42.115)
there can be so many reasons why you needed that lesson. You know, it could be exactly what you shared there of actually it's the confirmation that what you were doing already was the right thing. And so you've now sometimes it's if you don't give yourself that permission to explore a different option, then you'll always be wondering what if. And if you hadn't done that, then you might be in a position now being like, maybe I should have made that decision six months ago to do that thing.
But actually that had then delay the end result that you want anyway. So there's so many reasons why I always come back to, you know, being in a place where we're of service to others as well. Anything that happens to us is then something that we can bring into our experience that can then support other people. So, you know, for you then to have had that experience, you could then support someone else going through that, that experience and
Ash Butterss (20:16.986)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (20:31.952)
Yeah, I love that.
Ash Butterss (20:40.742)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (20:41.603)
I'm always, I'm always, you know, there's always a way to spin it in that way, you know, and your intuition is never wrong and the path that you take is never wrong. So I think when you kind of live from that place, it's way easier to make those decisions because very rarely are we in a position where anything is going to be, you know, life or death, you know, and there are times where on some people are in professions that are like that, but
Ash Butterss (20:55.9)
I love that.
Ash Butterss (21:10.329)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (21:10.53)
You know, we're in professions that aren't necessarily and it's the difference between taking that path, having that experience and then getting to a different place. Who knows what would have happened if you hadn't have made that decision? We don't know.
Ash Butterss (21:24.402)
Yeah, no, I love that. I absolutely, and even as you are sharing this with me, it's feeling really good in my body. Like I just like nodding along going, yes, that makes so much sense. And my body's always giving me this feedback going like, listen to Bec, like everything she's saying is just landing. It's beautiful. It's really, really, really beautiful. Thank you. Okay, so let's then talk about on this same sort of channel of intuition. I am going to...
I'm going to assume that you have clients who will share with you that they feel blocked. And I know a lot of the time when we talk about intuition and tapping into energy, there is this experience of having an energetic block. It's almost like for people who are listening, listening along, who are maybe you haven't heard of this before, but you've heard of writer's block. You know, it's a similar kind of thing. It's like where you feel like you're just a bit stuck. Do you have that experience with clients or you, or even maybe in your own experience and how do you work through that?
Bec Cuzzillo (22:23.183)
Hmm. So yes, 100 % in both. So I have clients who go through that. I've been through that. So the way that I approach stuckness in any way is the fact that, you know, we've got stuck energy and the one thing that's not going to move that is by staying still and doing nothing about it. What we want to do is find.
Ash Butterss (22:27.42)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (22:47.358)
You
Bec Cuzzillo (22:48.863)
some movement. We've got to literally shift that and particularly if it's energetic, if we feel stuck energetically, then we need to look at doing something differently and actually moving. So that can be from, I feel stuck in this moment. And so it can be something that's small. And so, know, writer's block is a great example. Sometimes we might feel stuck creatively and as business owners, we spend a lot of time doing creative work.
And if we're sitting there staring at a blank screen or, you know, we're sitting there trying to type out an Instagram post and it just feels like, this just is not happening for me today. Rather than trying to push through that stagnancy and keep going along the same path, doing the same thing, like let's move. So that can look like actually physically moving your body. So it might be going for a walk, dancing around your room, whatever you can do to kind of get that.
stagnancy out or it could look like let's change up your environment, let's make a change here. What does it look like just to make a small shift that's really going to actually have an impact on your energy? And then there can be those bigger blocks we experience where it's like, I'm feeling really stuck in this space and I feel like I'm not getting anywhere and I feel like I keep doing things and it's not working and da da da da.
And what we want to do in that instance is look at, okay, well, what are the things that feel really sticky right now? And is there a way that we can shift that? Can we do things in a different way? Something that really helped me at one point when I was feeling quite stuck is I had a hypnosis session and my hypnotherapist was like, right now you're staring at a blank wall and you just feel like you're hitting the same wall over and over again, but you're facing the wall.
And if you energetically flip around and turn around and put your back to that wall, then look at all of that spaciousness that opens up for you behind you. You can't see those opportunities right now when you're standing right close to that wall. What you need to do is just turn around and have a different perspective shift and see.
Bec Cuzzillo (25:07.554)
the opportunity, see that spaciousness, see what's behind you because you're just looking in the wrong direction right now. And it was such a profound moment for me and it doesn't even really make sense as I'm sharing it here. But I know for me that if I feel like I'm just hitting this same wall over and over again and all I do is in my mind's eye flip around from that wall and look at what's behind me.
I feel this exhale of, you know, like, wow. Okay. There's options here. And I think creating options for ourself is really, really key when we feel stuck because sometimes it feels like the only way is one way. But when we actually look at it, there are so many options that are available to us.
Ash Butterss (25:42.815)
Mm-hmm.
Ash Butterss (25:56.546)
I love that. It's just that shift in perspective, isn't it?
Bec Cuzzillo (26:00.78)
Yes, hugely and something that helped me massively. So if you're feeling stuck right now, have a think about what other options might be out there for you.
Ash Butterss (26:11.913)
Yeah, and sometimes it's just about speaking to someone and reaching out. Because often when you look at something and you're looking at the same thing day in and day out, it can be really easy to almost form blinkers and become a little bit tunnel vision. Whereas it might be a friend, it might be a coach, a mentor can just come in and give you that different bird's eye view of something can maybe offer some different solutions. So yeah, it's definitely, think,
many, many minds together can make things seem a lot less overwhelming. You know, I just spoke about
Bec Cuzzillo (26:47.554)
Yeah. And we're not meant to do things on our own, I don't think.
Ash Butterss (26:51.397)
Yeah, that's true. That's so true, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of been how society has evolved that we've become a lot more siloed. But back in the day, like we were tribal and so we did everything together and in community.
Bec Cuzzillo (26:55.053)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (27:07.586)
Yeah. I say to my clients all the time, you know, there's no award for doing it on your own. You don't win an award for getting there on your own. Like having help actually helps you get there faster in whatever way that looks like. And you're still going to get that result that you want, but it's probably going to feel a whole lot nicer along the way.
Ash Butterss (27:16.927)
Hmm.
Mmm. Mmm.
Ash Butterss (27:29.161)
Yeah, so, so true. Speaking of community, you mentioned a little earlier in this conversation that it was the experience of sitting or facilitating a women's circle that really you had that aha moment of this is the work that I meant to be doing and this is how I meant to be serving the world. Can you tell me a little bit more about the downloads that you received, what that experience was like? And for somebody who's listening along who
has never attended something like that before. What actually is it and what would you expect by attending something like that?
Bec Cuzzillo (28:04.718)
So what I love about women's circles is when you hold space in that way, you do literally sit in a circle. And the idea is that you all come to that space as equals. So rather than sitting at the front and presenting a workshop or a masterclass or something like that, you sit in a circle and you all bring something to that circle. And there can be many different types of women's circles. And the ones that I was running at that time were
themed and there was a lot of facilitation around the specific topic and what we were exploring and looking at. But the idea is that you get to sit in circle, each woman gets to share and be heard and witnessed, and then you get to hear and witness everyone else and also be witnessed yourself. And there is huge magic and healing that happens in that space.
And there are lots of incredible women holding space in that way. And I've brought that into the work that I do online. And so when I started coaching, do, I did and still do one-on-one coaching, but I've always held space in groups and I've always run group programs. And it's my favorite way to.
support people to support women because you get that magic of not just the support from one person, but you get that support from others and you get to be heard and witnessed and seen and held. And there is just, there's nothing to describe it that can fully describe it. It's something that I think has to be experienced. And for me, I think sometimes we think of those downloads that you get as something that's going to be this really profound.
moment, you know, where it's like, I just had this clarity drop in. And occasionally that does happen. It might be when you're in the shower or when you're driving and you'll have this idea in this moment of like, yes, I know this thing. But other times it's something that kind of creeps up on you or you just know, or you just feel. And I can even feel it now when I think of those times running those circles. There was a feeling that I had inside.
Ash Butterss (30:04.521)
Yeah!
Bec Cuzzillo (30:23.97)
But it wasn't this huge big thing. It was just this like this moment of like, I love this, you know, and that's all it can be sometimes. It doesn't have to be this really big thing. It can just be the, wow, I really love this thing. And most people have something like that. It's about them having the courage to go and do it.
Ash Butterss (30:30.579)
Yes. Yeah.
Ash Butterss (30:39.665)
Yeah
Ash Butterss (30:45.727)
Totally and I'm exactly the same like I run my group program and there's something so special about having those women together But not only that and I get it the same when I run my workshops, but I also immerse myself in those environments I'm a big believer in not just being the teacher but being the student and so I'm you know, I'm actually
when I can, when I can find the time and space, I'll go and send myself off on a retreat alone so that I can be immersed in that experience and have space held for me and vice versa. Like it's just, there is just something so beautiful, something so transformative about those spaces. And I think particularly when women are together, there is just a sense of safety that is created where you can really truly allow yourself to be seen, like all parts of you to be deeply seen, which is so special.
Bec Cuzzillo (31:36.184)
So, so special. And I agree, there's definitely, as somebody who holds space for others, there's definitely a need for that to happen for you. You know, there have to be spaces where you can be held as well. And, you know, I'm attending a women's circle this year. We've had, you know, eight circles in a closed group that's just been beautiful. And I've absolutely loved just going along and being that participant.
And for me, I also have my own coach and I'm in a mastermind where I get that business support as well. having those opportunities to, you know, be the person who's held is so, so important as a spaceholder. I think it's something that we all need.
Ash Butterss (32:09.373)
Right.
Ash Butterss (32:20.063)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (32:25.023)
100%. So Bec, tell me, what are there some other, let's talk about maybe your daily, weekly practices that you have developed over time that have really personally transformed your life in this space.
Bec Cuzzillo (32:41.134)
Hmm. So they have changed and evolved a lot over the years and I'm currently in a season of life. I'm currently in a season of life with small kids. So I have two boys, a five year old and a two year old. And so my time, yeah, my time is very limited. I work three days a week and then I have two days with the boys and
Ash Butterss (32:46.343)
Yeah, I bet. Yeah.
Ash Butterss (32:57.093)
wow!
Bec Cuzzillo (33:08.629)
One of those days that I work is when either my in-laws or my parents have the boys. So it's, it's a day where I don't ever schedule anything just in case we kind of have to, you know, move things around. But generally I get two to three days. and what I've done this year is really gotten back into a movement practice. It's something that had fallen off a little bit during, you know, postpartum and pregnancy and things like that.
Ash Butterss (33:20.413)
Yes.
Ash Butterss (33:36.012)
Mmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (33:37.824)
And that's been the thing that's really been super powerful for me this year in terms of those practices. And the way that I do things because I don't have a lot of time is I stack my habits. And so I will, you know, listen to different podcasts or different things to kind of feed my mind while I'm out on a walk or out on a run. I'll sometimes do that while I'm in the shower as well. There's some
meditations that I'll often listen to in the shower, some abundance meditations that I really love. The other practice that I have been doing for years is I love a shower meditation and I'll do that just visualizing the water, literally washing away anything that I need to let go of or, you know, cleanse and, you know, any energy, any stagnant energy. I love a shower meditation.
It's something that we obviously shower every day. It's so easy. It's a moment where you can kind of really drop in. So all of my practices are very much like that. I don't really get the opportunity often to sit in ceremony on my own, you know, doing long meditations. It's just not part of my schedule anymore. But I take these small
Ash Butterss (34:34.144)
I love that.
Ash Butterss (34:48.204)
Hahaha
Ash Butterss (34:57.003)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (34:58.732)
these small moments and I stack these habits to make it work for me. And I find that you don't usually need a huge amount of time to create that presence and mindfulness in your day. It's really about bringing that consciously to moments. And my spiritual practice, you know, I do pull cards and I do burn candles. I love candles. I'll burn incense, but
Ash Butterss (35:18.348)
Mmm.
Ash Butterss (35:24.716)
Mm-hmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (35:27.297)
My spiritual practice is very practical really, and it's very grounded in what, you know, that intuitive, what's going to feel good for me in this moment, you know, rather than rushing around and feeling all over the shop and, you know, being dysregulated or whatever. I try and go, okay, there's no need to rush. We can make a cup of tea. We can take that moment. It's, it's just those small things that are really powerful, I find.
Ash Butterss (35:58.5)
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that because I think that what you've shared just then is what most people would be able to relate to is not having the time to sit down and do an hour and a half morning routine. You know, most people are managing little, know, most people that listen to this show are managing little humans and jobs and their own lives and health and fitness and everything else that goes into just existing in the world today. So I love that.
fact that you say, just find a moment and it's more about the conscious awareness of choosing the moment than I think it is about the length of the practice. And also that habit stacking advice is phenomenal. So amazing. Thank you so much for sharing those. You touched on the fact that, you know, at this season in your life, you're working three days a week and then you've got the boys and I'd love to know Beck, being an online coach,
I don't know what your experience has been like, but I have found that there are pockets of the internet that can be very competitive, very money focused, very hustle energy. How do you step back from that? And number one, not be kind of consumed and pulled into it, but number two, how do you self check and regulate where you're at within all of that and be okay with what you can give and being many different.
roles within your life.
Bec Cuzzillo (37:25.019)
There's definitely a push-pull, even if we take a step back, you know, and don't involve what's going on out here on the internet, even, you know, even knowing all of the things that I want to do in my life, you know, and the goals that I have and the vision that I have, and I want to write a book and I want to do this and I want to do that. There are times for that and there are times not for that. And I'm in a season where
Ash Butterss (37:38.944)
Yeah.
Bec Cuzzillo (37:49.836)
You know, there's a lot of give and take and there's a lot of those decisions that happen of, know, actually that's not the season that I'm going to be doing all of that. And actually that's okay. Even though I really want that and there will be a time for that. I also really want to spend time with my kids and I also really want, you know, that. And while I do believe there is an element of being able to have it all, there's also
Ash Butterss (38:08.492)
Mmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (38:18.176)
an element of having it all and being okay with where you're at right now, you know, and allowing yourself and not making yourself wrong for that. And that's been a journey. And there are times where I get frustrated with that and I'm like, I just wish I had more time or I just wish I could do this. And part of part of it is self coaching yourself through that and having the mindset and having the tools and having the skills to go, you know what?
Ash Butterss (38:25.504)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (38:38.156)
Mm.
Bec Cuzzillo (38:47.554)
that's okay that that's not happening right now. And that's okay that I'm not in that season of my life yet. Cause I also don't want to wish away that. So there's a lot of this like give and take, which yeah, I'm sure so many people will resonate with that. And then of course there's that external pressure. And so when I,
Ash Butterss (38:50.805)
Mm.
Ash Butterss (38:55.99)
That's it, yeah.
Ash Butterss (39:01.996)
Mmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (39:06.73)
If I ever feel and I don't, I feel like I'm in a place right now where I don't often feel that way, which I'm very grateful for, but there's definitely been times in my business where I've looked out and been like, my goodness, that person's doing that. And that looks amazing. And I'm like, wouldn't it be cool if I could do that too? Well, why can't I do that too? You know, that comparison that comes in. And I think the thing that's really helped me is doing my own work and getting clear on what
Ash Butterss (39:26.479)
Mm, mm.
Ash Butterss (39:34.412)
Hmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (39:35.878)
are my values and what are my goals and what does that look like right now for me in this season of my life? And when you're really clear on your why and when you're really clear on your values and what's important to you, it does get easier to go, you know, none of that is what I need or want or, you know, like that you can do that thing where you go, wow, that's cool.
I would love to do that one day, but it's not my current vision or it's not what I currently am working towards. And that's also okay. Like you kind of have this more detached view of it. You're not so in the feeling of it. You can take that step back and be like, that's cool. It's not for me right now. And it does take a bit of work to get there, but it's the mindset work and it's that clarity piece on what's going on in here.
Ash Butterss (40:07.66)
Mm-hmm.
Ash Butterss (40:19.454)
Mmm. Mmm.
Ash Butterss (40:28.78)
Mmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (40:29.036)
rather than looking at what's going on out there.
Ash Butterss (40:32.044)
100 % I find for me having that daily gratitude practice is like it really helps me stay in the present moment and to be grateful for everything that's happening in my life right now not you know, not what's gonna happen tomorrow or the next day like it's like what are the incredible gifts that are right now happening in my life and maybe that's literally just something as simple as you know, I have a safe beautiful home and
you know, my health and food in the fridge and access to clean drinking water. And it's all those little things that remind us, know, because it's yeah, like I think life can be really noisy at times. But like what you said, it's it's the gift of the present moment and what's right in front of you that I think we need to really come back to.
Bec Cuzzillo (41:14.478)
And so often, you know, I'll think four or five years ago in my business, I would have loved to be at this point, you know, like I have incredible clients. spend my, you know, half my week with my kids, half my week working in work that I love with clients that I love. You know, we moved to the coast two years ago, so we get to go to the beach. I, you know, I can work from anywhere. Like there's so many things in my.
Ash Butterss (41:22.739)
Yeah!
Bec Cuzzillo (41:42.572)
day where, maybe I haven't reached a certain goal yet, but I'm still living the vision right now. And that goal actually won't really change a lot of those things in my daily life, because a lot of the things in my daily life is what I would want in that future version of myself anyway. And so if you can look back and go, wow, look how far I've come and have that evidence that you can really lead into, I find that's helpful too.
Ash Butterss (41:46.764)
you
Ash Butterss (42:03.649)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (42:13.152)
Yeah, I love that. That's such a beautiful piece of advice. Beck, I've got one final question for you that I'd love to ask today. What would be one essential lesson from either your life or your career or maybe both that you could pass on to the women who are listening today?
Bec Cuzzillo (42:33.934)
I think a real theme that's kind of come through this conversation and something that I try and live my life by and support my clients to live their life by is to follow those breadcrumbs, those things that do feel exciting and not worry about what everyone else is going to think or what you think you quote unquote should be doing, but actually follow your heart.
and not be afraid to take those steps and see where it leads you because there's either going to be just a whole lot of learning in that for you or it's going to lead you somewhere where you're never going to expect. You know, if I didn't follow those breadcrumbs to start making candles, I don't know whether I would have ended up here. And, you know, I can see very clearly all of those breadcrumbs that allowed me to get here, but there's no way that I would have ever gone, wow, that
is going to be the path that's going to get me to this thing, you know, this life that I'm now living. It wasn't even on my radar or on my vision board to be a spiritual business coach that lives by the coast with, you know, her family. That wasn't something that I thought would be my life, but it is the life that I love and I'm so excited to be living. And I wouldn't necessarily have gotten here if I wasn't courageous enough to go, you know what? I'm going to try this thing and see where it leads.
Ash Butterss (43:37.078)
Yeah.
Ash Butterss (43:52.844)
Mmm.
Bec Cuzzillo (44:02.828)
And that is what I would encourage people to do. Just, just do it. Follow that little breadcrumb of excitement.
Ash Butterss (44:08.113)
my goodness.
I absolutely love that. What a perfect place to finish this conversation today. Beck, thank you so much for joining me here on the show. If people want to discover you, follow you, where should they go?
Bec Cuzzillo (44:24.344)
So the best place to find me is on Instagram. I hang out there most at Beck underscore Kazilo so we can connect there. If you've listened in, please come and connect with me. Send me a DM. Let me know. And I also have a podcast as well, which is Feminine Fire with Beck Kazilo. If you are a spiritual business owner, a spiritual spaceholder, then I have a whole lot of episodes there for you to dive into. And we cover everything from business strategy to mindset, energetics.
all of the juicy stuff you need to build a business that you love.
Ash Butterss (44:59.476)
Thank you so much. I'll make sure I pop that information in the episode show notes back. Thank you once again I've absolutely loved this conversation and I can't wait to connect with you again soon
Bec Cuzzillo (45:11.214)
Thanks so much, Ash.